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Permalink Reply by Corey Graff on -
Julie: Thanks for your question and welcome to Tactical Gear. You should start by reading our concealed carry articles, found here.
Corey
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Permalink Reply by Julie Freitas on -
Corey, Thanks for the info it is much appreciated!
Julie :)
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Permalink Reply by Phillip Jones on
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a bellyband holster works well for girls, they wear loose shirts or blouses, women are always adjusting pants and shirts so do not signal a draw. I also use a snubbie in my right hand, covered with a dishcloth, as if i have been drying dishes. Gun in hand, ready to use, but not seen.
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Permalink Reply by davzway on -
Get the Permit. Go to place where they teach NRA Personal Protection Coarse and you handle firearms, learn to shoot safely and fire at least 50 rounds in the coarse. Any training coarse you can get afterward is always a good idea. If you enjoy and want realistic practice. Find a local IDPA match which leans to more practical personal defense. First you need training with that 2" gun (no difference in accuracy inherent compared to a 6" gun, it's just more difficult at long ranges due to shorter sight radius without practice). Then practice. If possible, fifty rounds per month. Don't shoot fast until you are shooting different groups. Carrying is a very personal topic. Look for Clint Smith videos (done by his wife) at Thunder Ranch for concealed for women. Personally normally recommend the purse option. There are some good purses for CCW with easy access through an end pouch inside purse (reach in and grab gun). Then have purse in SAME position in vehicle every time you travel. Practice getting the weapon from the purse (or any selected mode for concealed carry) with unloaded weapon. May sound silly standing and sitting and drawing a gun from your purse; however if you ever end in a deadly confrontation you will do what you've practiced. No practice. There will be time lost and confusion you cannot afford. IF at all possible, and can do so Safely... AVOID. Speed up, get in car and drive away, keep driving honking horn until you get attention of an office. You live in country like I do.. May be on your own and including no access for a cell phone (good to carry along with a good flashlight at all time. If you cannot find video.. email hardwayhorsley@windstream.net and I will find it for you. NRA Certified Instructor for over 20 years (a third were women, most unfortunately had a 'story'. davzway
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Permalink Reply by Julie Freitas on
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Dave, thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question! Your wisdom is much appreciated! I have been practicing. Will check out the video. Have a great weekend. Sincerely,
Julie
davzway said:Get the Permit. Go to place where they teach NRA Personal Protection Coarse and you handle firearms, learn to shoot safely and fire at least 50 rounds in the coarse. Any training coarse you can get afterward is always a good idea. If you enjoy and want realistic practice. Find a local IDPA match which leans to more practical personal defense. First you need training with that 2" gun (no difference in accuracy inherent compared to a 6" gun, it's just more difficult at long ranges due to shorter sight radius without practice). Then practice. If possible, fifty rounds per month. Don't shoot fast until you are shooting different groups. Carrying is a very personal topic. Look for Clint Smith videos (done by his wife) at Thunder Ranch for concealed for women. Personally normally recommend the purse option. There are some good purses for CCW with easy access through an end pouch inside purse (reach in and grab gun). Then have purse in SAME position in vehicle every time you travel. Practice getting the weapon from the purse (or any selected mode for concealed carry) with unloaded weapon. May sound silly standing and sitting and drawing a gun from your purse; however if you ever end in a deadly confrontation you will do what you've practiced. No practice. There will be time lost and confusion you cannot afford. IF at all possible, and can do so Safely... AVOID. Speed up, get in car and drive away, keep driving honking horn until you get attention of an office. You live in country like I do.. May be on your own and including no access for a cell phone (good to carry along with a good flashlight at all time. If you cannot find video.. email hardwayhorsley@windstream.net and I will find it for you. NRA Certified Instructor for over 20 years (a third were women, most unfortunately had a 'story'. davzway
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Permalink Reply by Julie Freitas on
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Phillip, Wow, great info thanks a bunch! Julie
Phillip Jones said:a bellyband holster works well for girls, they wear loose shirts or blouses, women are always adjusting pants and shirts so do not signal a draw. I also use a snubbie in my right hand, covered with a dishcloth, as if i have been drying dishes. Gun in hand, ready to use, but not seen.
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Permalink Reply by davzway on
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One point on using a purse to carry concealed,, it needs to have a shoulder strap which you would need to have over your head, or not wanting to have over your head, whichever shoulder it is handing on (normally left shoulder if right handed to allow you access to a weapon, use that hand to Hold the strap.. Idea being to avoid a quick snatch and grab by BG for your purse which leaves you defenseless. That is one advantage of belly band (elastic held with velcro, sometimes having pouch for extra magazine) Belly bands only work well for smaller lighter and flatter semiauto's which if I remember you favor anyway. Very baggy blouse or outer clothes must be worn to conceal the outline (printing) of the weapon. One carry option is not always good for all seasons,, what you do for summer won't work in the winter and vice versa. < Personal note: I carry in my car a shoulder holster, belly band and two different in waist band holsters for my primary weapon, allowing options depending on weather and circumstance. Also the reason for having more than one gun (always good to have 'excuses' for buying another gun), like a Kel-tec 32 for summer ware.
The popular 'fanny pack' with a specific compartment for weapon or holster built in is used by BG as well as good guys and works in all kinds of weather, only issue is 'everyone' knows about fanny packs. Concealing on the person with a fatter Glock is often difficult without planning, and the reason I mention the Sig 250 series,, major caliber and about 1" thick. Again, what works for one doesn't always work for others, including what your husband may decide to use. Best overall for men, is the inside the waist band holsters which hook/attach to a belt in some fashion. Person favorite is Kramer, horsehide material, and/or look for one with a piece of leather which goes up to the top of weapon so it doesn't did into your back... more food for thought.. hope it helps you in some way. davzway
Julie Freitas said:
Dave, thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question! Your wisdom is much appreciated! I have been practicing. Will check out the video. Have a great weekend. Sincerely,
Julie
davzway said:Get the Permit. Go to place where they teach NRA Personal Protection Coarse and you handle firearms, learn to shoot safely and fire at least 50 rounds in the coarse. Any training coarse you can get afterward is always a good idea. If you enjoy and want realistic practice. Find a local IDPA match which leans to more practical personal defense. First you need training with that 2" gun (no difference in accuracy inherent compared to a 6" gun, it's just more difficult at long ranges due to shorter sight radius without practice). Then practice. If possible, fifty rounds per month. Don't shoot fast until you are shooting different groups. Carrying is a very personal topic. Look for Clint Smith videos (done by his wife) at Thunder Ranch for concealed for women. Personally normally recommend the purse option. There are some good purses for CCW with easy access through an end pouch inside purse (reach in and grab gun). Then have purse in SAME position in vehicle every time you travel. Practice getting the weapon from the purse (or any selected mode for concealed carry) with unloaded weapon. May sound silly standing and sitting and drawing a gun from your purse; however if you ever end in a deadly confrontation you will do what you've practiced. No practice. There will be time lost and confusion you cannot afford. IF at all possible, and can do so Safely... AVOID. Speed up, get in car and drive away, keep driving honking horn until you get attention of an office. You live in country like I do.. May be on your own and including no access for a cell phone (good to carry along with a good flashlight at all time. If you cannot find video.. email hardwayhorsley@windstream.net and I will find it for you. NRA Certified Instructor for over 20 years (a third were women, most unfortunately had a 'story'. davzway
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Permalink Reply by ArmyRanger on -
This is probably way too late for you but maybe someone can use my 2 bits. I have found over the many years of CC that holster choice is a very personal one that depend on more variables to count. I personally wouldn't reccomend off person carry unless that is the only way to conceal your roscoe. It's far to easy to get it taken from you and possibly used against you. The Belly Band is good for some, but depending on how you usually dress you could consider a shoulder holster or an ankle holster, I carry my backup piece, a 2" S&W, in one and it stays put under very demanding conditions. An IWB is a very good choice but you have to dress properly or risk displaying or printing. Whatever you choose remember the #1 rule for carrying concealed: keep it concealed! I do not advertise the fact that I carry to anyone, as far as I know only my close family members even know. Most of my friends don't have a clue and that's how I want it.If something were to go down, I want suprise on my side. However you choose to carry, make absolutely sure that you do not display or print. Also, make sure that you train so that you can draw smoothly and safely and can re-holster blindly, with one hand preferably. When I first started carrying concealed I was fairly niave. Carrying concealed means changing how you do everything. It's a way of life. You have to watch how you move and act. You can no longer go off on some punk for cutting in front of you for fear of escalating the situation and possibly being seen as the aggressor or flip off the guy who just cut you off on the freeway. I don't want to discourage anybody from CC, but it shouldn't be entered into lightly without weighing the implications of having deadly force tucked into your waistband. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Permalink Reply by davzway on
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Armyranger has it right, and I'd add only these points: The how for CC is a matter of personal choice. It should always include something which restrains the weapon and COVERS the trigger guard (so however the gun is being drawn or handled your finger cannot accidentally push the trigger for an AD). Whatever method is used, you must PRACTICE.
Practice drawing your weapon (empty gun) from your selected carry holster (standing, sitting, sitting at a table, etc.). That's particularly true for those going with an ankle holster (don't like them, recommend or use them personally; however, if it works for you, go with it) , making sure the weapon is restrained running, jumping, etc. and you can NEVER wear slim fit jeans again. And finally, words cannot hurt you in any way, nor cost you money. BUT, If you bring out your weapon in public, remember that you ( that's YOU not the other guy ) are now in Felony territory unless you have justification for displaying that weapon.
My Dad said it best when I was a tadpole You only use the gun as a last resort. You don't pull a gun unless you plan to shoot it. You only shoot the gun, planning to kill. The gun is not to be used as a tool to intimidate someone.
My advise to students these past twenty years is to avoid, avoid, avoid. Forget the ego. This is a matter of survival. It's not a movie or a video game where the good guys are always back next week. Good guys don't always win. If you cannot avoid, then you must train to win. There is no second place. Practice, and stay safe. Just another opinion. davzway
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Permalink Reply by Julie Freitas on
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My feeling is it's never too late to receive good information. I am still looking for something that will work for me. I have tried a few different ones. Just haven't found the "right " one. But I am not giving up. Thanks for your thoughts. It is appreciated. I do not take this lightly. It is a huge commitment.
Julie
ArmyRanger said:This is probably way too late for you but maybe someone can use my 2 bits. I have found over the many years of CC that holster choice is a very personal one that depend on more variables to count. I personally wouldn't reccomend off person carry unless that is the only way to conceal your roscoe. It's far to easy to get it taken from you and possibly used against you. The Belly Band is good for some, but depending on how you usually dress you could consider a shoulder holster or an ankle holster, I carry my backup piece, a 2" S&W, in one and it stays put under very demanding conditions. An IWB is a very good choice but you have to dress properly or risk displaying or printing. Whatever you choose remember the #1 rule for carrying concealed: keep it concealed! I do not advertise the fact that I carry to anyone, as far as I know only my close family members even know. Most of my friends don't have a clue and that's how I want it.If something were to go down, I want suprise on my side. However you choose to carry, make absolutely sure that you do not display or print. Also, make sure that you train so that you can draw smoothly and safely and can re-holster blindly, with one hand preferably. When I first started carrying concealed I was fairly niave. Carrying concealed means changing how you do everything. It's a way of life. You have to watch how you move and act. You can no longer go off on some punk for cutting in front of you for fear of escalating the situation and possibly being seen as the aggressor or flip off the guy who just cut you off on the freeway. I don't want to discourage anybody from CC, but it shouldn't be entered into lightly without weighing the implications of having deadly force tucked into your waistband. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Permalink Reply by Julie Freitas on
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I have been practiciing. I can hit an 8" group at 25 yards with my snubby! Thank God my husband loves to shoot. Thanks you for your wisdom. It is much needed in this day and time.
Julie
davzway said:Armyranger has it right, and I'd add only these points: The how for CC is a matter of personal choice. It should always include something which restrains the weapon and COVERS the trigger guard (so however the gun is being drawn or handled your finger cannot accidentally push the trigger for an AD). Whatever method is used, you must PRACTICE.
Practice drawing your weapon (empty gun) from your selected carry holster (standing, sitting, sitting at a table, etc.). That's particularly true for those going with an ankle holster (don't like them, recommend or use them personally; however, if it works for you, go with it) , making sure the weapon is restrained running, jumping, etc. and you can NEVER wear slim fit jeans again. And finally, words cannot hurt you in any way, nor cost you money. BUT, If you bring out your weapon in public, remember that you ( that's YOU not the other guy ) are now in Felony territory unless you have justification for displaying that weapon.
My Dad said it best when I was a tadpole You only use the gun as a last resort. You don't pull a gun unless you plan to shoot it. You only shoot the gun, planning to kill. The gun is not to be used as a tool to intimidate someone.
My advise to students these past twenty years is to avoid, avoid, avoid. Forget the ego. This is a matter of survival. It's not a movie or a video game where the good guys are always back next week. Good guys don't always win. If you cannot avoid, then you must train to win. There is no second place. Practice, and stay safe. Just another opinion. davzway
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Permalink Reply by davzway on
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Julie, shooting 8" groups at 25 yards is great,, some never get that good and it's something you always work to improve to the best of your ability. With my sons, we used the larger NRA slow fire pistol target.. shooting ten or twenty rounds for score (numerical value of the shots from the number on the rings added together. 'X' counts for ten points and adds to the 'x' count. Rounds that hit on the line of a scoring ring count for the higher number value (i.e. shot hitting between the 9 and 10 rings, counts as a ten for score). Ten rounds has a maximum score of 100-10X. Competition between the two boys was intense,, as sometimes the 'bet' was loser had to mow the lawn or jobs along those lines. Both started shooting at age eight, with my youngest winning a bowling pin match at major Fun 'n Sun deal in Pinellas County (22 division) at age nine, and placed 16th out of 48 competitors at an IPSC match at age 14 (using a full house loads 45acp in 1911, where I received some grief for a young kid drawing from a holster and shooting 'combat' ,, told them "let the kid shoot and if not happy I won't bring him back". No comments after we finished and scores tallied. Excuse the father's injection of pride for his son in this blog) Saving the targets with dates on them gives you a record of how you improved your shooting, going beyond mere 'group' size which is only important in target shooting.
That said, only 25% or so of your shooting should be long-range target shooting with your carry defense weapon. It is a GREAT confidence builder to Know that your gun shoots well at that distance and that you can shoot a decent group at that distance. For self-defense purposes, saving your backside will be down dirty and quick. Remember the old FBI statistic for some 75% of gunfights only last 2.5 seconds, occur inside 21', and have an average of 1.8 shots fired. It's close, doesn't last very long and not enough shots are fired to worry about group size. What will matter is getting the fight ending shot on the Bad Guy (BG) very quickly. Center of mass is less than 9" which is why I have students use common paper plates for a target (some public shooting range's don't allow human shaped targets, ask first ). In level two classes we work on how quickly the student can get three shots into the 9" circle. Group size doesn't matter, just the hole in that area. Drawing from a holster (or whatever means is used for concealed carry) and shooting quickly is more real world than target shooting. Using an electronic timer, was able to emphasize how a person was two full seconds behind the BG from buzz (indication it's time to shoot) to the first shot fired (hopefully on target). and it shows time between shots and provides total time. The BEST practice is to participate in an IDPA or IPSC match where the pressure from being watched and shooting under time constraint, much less point score divided by time stuff, is the closest you can get to real world shooting. The three shots come from the shooting two for center of mass torso shots (fastest to get a hit) , with the third being shot for the head (the BG is wearing body armor <and some are as officers are sadly aware em>read the account in LA some years back where BG had full class III body armor and automatic weapons.>
Again, it is not the number of rounds fired, as much as it is the quality of the time spend shooting. After shooting a
predetermined number of rounds, take time to analyze your targets, the hits AND the misses. How did you miss. ETC.
It's all a learning curve. You never stop learning. Even after twenty years of instructing, I still watch and study any video I can get my hands on that might teach some new trick or method for staying alive in a confrontation. Take Masad Ayoob's class or go to Clint Smith at Thunderranch,, or to Gunsight,, any of the fine schools that teach self-defense. AND continue to do what you've been doing. PRACTICE. Must have been doing some if you got the groups down to 8" at 25yards <It was a good day when everything clicked, giving my best with a 2-1/2 Ruger DA, keeping 50 rounds inside the black (4") at 25 yards, DA, and for the negative folks, Bobby Piossa of Harbor Reloading was there and witnessed the event. Not my every day shooting by any means. Thus ends the discussion ..... davzway
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