Tactical Firearms, Ammunition, Optics, and Concealed Carry Training
Tiger McKee Carbine/Pistol class
Just finished this one Sunday afternoon. I'm probably not the best "reviewer", because I taught this stuff for years and have a lot of set-in-concrete ideas. But I haven't done any serious carbine work since getting off SWAT nine years ago, so I decided why not? I've trained with Tiger before (took the wife to his basic pistol class two years ago) and know him to be all you could want in an instructor.
Reader's Digest version... this class was EXACTLY what I was looking for. The first day was warm-up and standards with both weapons- pistol in the morning, carbine in the afternoon. What many folks don't realize is the dual purpose behind this. Yeah, it allows one to knock any rust off and get ready for the real work beginning on Day Two- but it also allows the instructors to size up the class' general proficiency level and help them plan just how hard and fast to push.
Day Two, you hit the ground running. It was a great refresher for me; but we had three cherries in the class, and they were like kids at Xmas. All basic uses of the rifle are covered, with a lot of emphasis on malfunction clearance, transitions, use of cover, etc. In a nutshell, its what you need to know to be able to fight effectively, integrating the shoulder gun in with your pistol. Day Three was live-fire vehicle fighting, close-quarter pistol work, and retention/dis-arming stuff.
I HIGHLY recommend this class. If you are past the "which end does the bullet come out of?" stage in your firearms development, you can do the drills and learn one hell of a lot via this synopsis. And even if you are an old, burnt-out retiree who did this sort of thing for a living for too many years, you will still pick up some useful morsels. For instance; I have been slapping the bolt release for forty damn years. Tiger showed us how to use the thumb, indexing off of a mag change. Duh....
Oh... I saw NOTHING in those three days that I disagreed with. Tiger has done his homework.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Angrisano on -
I was also in this class and it was indeed exceptional. We got lucky several times -
1. Great instructors - Tiger Mckee and Chase did a great job
2. Great students - This is the first 8 man class I've been too where "that guy" didn't show up. All students were competent, physcially capable, and had quality equipment.
3. Good weather - Other than a few drops on day three, the weather was beautiful.
I've been to several big name schools over the course of a couple dozen classes, and this was as good as it gets. As Mr Campbell mentioned, even if you have done most of this before, a class like this knocks the rust off and gets you tuned up. I caught myself slipping a number of times in areas where I know better. The integrated use of the carbine, pistol, and use of firearms around a vehicle was a busy three days but it seemed like everyone really got a tremendous amount out of the class.
I shot two guns that were new to me - an HK P2000 with the LEM trigger, which is a great pistol... I've been a dyed in the wool 1911/Glock guy for years and I have to say, I think the HK gives the best of both worlds as far as reliability/capacity and a great trigger/ergonomics.
For the carbine portion, I shot a prototype of the soon to be released Katana Carbine, designed by Tiger and built by Red Jacket Firearms. The rifle is, in my opinion, the ideal fighting carbine. It ran perfectly the entire class, despite being fed a mixed diet of soft points, hollow points, Wolf, South African, etc. Weighing in at 5.5 lbs, it was easy to tote for three days, whereas some of the guys with rifles that weighed 8, 9, 10 lbs were clearly growing weary of them after some time...
There was a professional photgrapher in the class - pictures are worth a thousand words.
http://gallery.teddysmithstudio.com/g/tiger
Note the full auto stuff was after class, we did not shoot full auto from the hip in class!
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Permalink Reply by Tiger McKee on -
The class in Baton Rouge was a great class, mainly due to the students being squared away. As Paul said everyone was good to go with open minds and good equipment, so in the three days we covered a lot of material. The Handgun/Carbine class is one of my favorites to teach, but it's also one of the most difficult for the students because when you start working with two weapons the mental demands become about four times more difficult.
Also it was nice to see one of the Katana prototypes running hard without any problems. If there is any interest on this I can post some details about it, but I don't want to come off too commercial. However, I do think it is an ideal rifle for self-defense, patrol use, or about anything else you need to do with an AR. I'll try to attache a picture, but I'm not really sure yet how this forum stuff works, so hopefully it will come out right.
Tiger McKee
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Michalowski on -
Steve... you old hard-headed SWAT guys have got to remember the old training mantra... "Just one more tool in the toolbox." I train everywhere I can and lots of the stuff I see is different from departmental policy, but the point is I still see it. I'm glad you realized Tiger was not trying to change your "set in concrete" ideas, but instead show you other options. There is always something new to learn, that's the point of all of us being here... thanks for taking the time to post to the forums. Hope you do so more often. Your input is valuable.
Kevin Michalowski
Editor, Tactical Gear Magazine
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